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Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 16:04:11 -
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I think I am gonna have to write a long letter to dice soon.
I would very much like to play battlefield and just fly around in a chopper, watching all the nice explosions without ever getting involved into the action myself.
Being forced to engage into PvP in Battlefield sucks. I love the graphics and I love flying choppers but I do not want to shoot at other people, so they there should be an option in the game which prevents me from getting involved into any combat action. I want my chosen playstyle to be valid in every game i could possibly ever touch, no matter if it fits into the core concept of the game or not.
Just to make sure:
I am being sarcastic here, to point out how silly the way you "I want to PvE in peace" ppl think is.
Also if you think this will prevent awoxing then you are not thinking this through. Sure with that change you can not just freely attack your corpm8s in high sec, but people who are flying around PvE ships that are actually worth awoxing will still be stupid enough to lose ships to people, who know how to infiltrate a corp and gains peoples trust. Sure it will be a bit more difficult, but I would place any bet that still more than enough people will get blown up by people in their corp.
All this does is putting another restriction on yet another game mechanic that did not ever stop eve from growing and if CCP keeps moving in that direction, they might get more people like Veers, who think their PvE only playstyle should be valid in every game.
And anyone with 2 braincells can see how long Eve will keep going with a PvE only community. |
Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 16:18:23 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
3rd- This change will not amke the entire community PvE players andy anyone with at least one braincell can realise this.
This has not been the only change over the years driving Eve more and more in that direction. It-¦s the sum of all the changes which gradually make Eve safer and safer, catering to the anti PvP people.
On your replies to my sarcastic BF remark, you totally did not get the point did you? |
Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 16:24:30 -
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How does me saying that this does not prevent awoxing equal "Wah! I am going to quit Eve?". |
Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 16:30:31 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Darth Schweinebacke wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
3rd- This change will not amke the entire community PvE players andy anyone with at least one braincell can realise this.
This has not been the only change over the years driving Eve more and more in that direction. It-¦s the sum of all the changes which gradually make Eve safer and safer, catering to the anti PvP people. On your replies to my sarcastic BF remark, you totally did not get the point did you? And even with all these changes, the EVE community is not all PvE so unless this one is some kind of real complete flipper for everybody's mind, your argument is still invalid. Your reference to BF was wrong even if taken with sarcasm in mind. Try again.
Since you seem unable to understand it:
The point is. When I go and play an FPS game I have to expect to get shot at.
If I am playing Eve (a open world PvP Sandbox - which would not work without PvP at all) I am well aware that PvP is possible and people who clain that their PvE only playstyle without interference should be viable are just as deluded as anyone thinking you can go play an FPS game without ever being shot. And the people who defend changes like that are exactly the same people who would want this playstyle to be possible in Eve.
I never claimed Eve has reached the status of a PvE only community yet, but that is the direction the game seems to be going. |
Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:10:53 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
How the hell do we inform player in a clear way that the rules are not applicable when inside of the same corporation?
There is a quite easy way. If you recruit someone who is new to the game and does not have a clue about game mechanics you teach them about the possible consequences of joining a corp. Any good rookie friendly corp should take some time to teach them things anyway, but that would mean that you would actually have to be interested in teaching new players things about the game and do not want them just to increase the number of pilots in your corp or want to get their tax money.
A rookie friendly corp living up to it-¦s description of course is something one can not expect.
@Mike
Sure PvE is an element of the game and I will never claim that is not an important one either. But some people should learn to accept that in EvE there is no clear line drawn, between doing my PvE stuff and engaging in PvP. PvP can happen allways and anywhere in some form or another and people should either accept that or look for a game where they actually are safe from PvP and stop asking for more and more changes, which turns the game into a different game.
This one change does not change anything on a large scale. It is the general direction ccp has taken the game over the last years to appeal to a broader mass which worries people who play Eve and have been sticking for it for so many years.
If changes in the direction to make high sec a safer place would be the thing to do to get more subscribers the sub numbers over the past few years should have skyrocketed, but they did not.
I am totally not against new players and making live easier for them, but I would rather prefer better education for new players than nerfing mechanics. |
Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:31:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Skill Training
PvE mission running if you dont spend the isk
Mining in a plentiful area if you just use the minerals to manufacture your own ships off the market.
If you are mining you are competing with other players for ressources no matter if you do it intentionally or not.
If you run missions you either did build your ship with ressources you mined yourself, or you did spend ISK for it. If you loot / salvage anything you are competing with others on the market.
(Show me just 1 missionrunner who never bought anything from the market and just started out running missions in a rookie ship, never sold anything, only reprocessed loot to build everything he needs. Got all the materials for T2 / faction equipment on his own -> which again is impossible to do without competing with other players).
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Darth Schweinebacke
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:45:50 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Then why are you spewing dinsdale-esque crap? Their method did not do as they intended so it's a failed method that's all it means. It is the most return for the :effort: spent, how much more difficult is it to gank a retriever versus a procurer? So they are using an inefficiently optimized method to remove botters, what a surprise people have been using terribly optimized stuff forever, yet that does not mean they support something. I'm not, I'm simply stating that their actions help support botters. Whether or not that's their goal behind the scenes is their business. As usual though a CODE player jumped in to scream about how I was misrepresenting them and how they are the saviors of highsec. What they post is propaganda regardless since it doesn't reflect what they are actually accomplishing.
So... I have a couple of mining chars too and when I actually feel like some relaxed mining I mine with procs / skiffs. By your definition that would make me a botter then. |
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